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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby Magmoo » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:28 pm

That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby Azhrei Vep » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:31 pm

Magmoo wrote:That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.

Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency? Seems like bullet casings would be more valuable. Much easier to load pre-existing castings than make new ones, after all. Or use them for scrap. Or as a threat, because then you could point out how many casings you have to offer, just as soon as you empty them out. Hint. Hint.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby clintmemo » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:37 pm

Azhrei Vep wrote:
Magmoo wrote:That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.

Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency?


Any form of currency is only useful because all parties have agreed as such. Consider the intrinsic value of paper, or even gold or silver. It all depends on the greater fool theory. You have locate someone that is a greater fool than you are such that will trade their useful goods for your money.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby Azhrei Vep » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:46 pm

clintmemo wrote:
Azhrei Vep wrote:
Magmoo wrote:That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.

Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency?


Any form of currency is only useful because all parties have agreed as such. Consider the intrinsic value of paper, or even gold or silver. It all depends on the greater fool theory. You have locate someone that is a greater fool than you are such that will trade their useful goods for your money.

In which case, why bother dropping the paper? Or, if it all burned up in (presumably) nuclear fires, coinage probably survived. And it's less likely to cut you like a friggin' bottlecap. Seriously, bottlecaps are a menace. Hate those stupid things.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby Knaight » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:52 pm

clintmemo wrote:
Azhrei Vep wrote:
Magmoo wrote:That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.

Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency?


Any form of currency is only useful because all parties have agreed as such. Consider the intrinsic value of paper, or even gold or silver. It all depends on the greater fool theory. You have locate someone that is a greater fool than you are such that will trade their useful goods for your money.


Yes, and elaborate printed banknotes with anti-counterfeiting measures are a little more plausible than bottle caps.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby Uriel » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:01 pm

Knaight wrote:
clintmemo wrote:
Azhrei Vep wrote:
Magmoo wrote:That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.

Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency?


Any form of currency is only useful because all parties have agreed as such. Consider the intrinsic value of paper, or even gold or silver. It all depends on the greater fool theory. You have locate someone that is a greater fool than you are such that will trade their useful goods for your money.


Yes, and elaborate printed banknotes with anti-counterfeiting measures are a little more plausible than bottle caps.


Which part of the Fallout series makes you think that plausibility entered their mind at some point? I mean the series has radiation based mutants, aliens from Star Trek, Tim the enchanter, shoulder launched short range nukes, and much more.

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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby tombombodil » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:37 pm

Azhrei Vep wrote:
Magmoo wrote:That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.

Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency? Seems like bullet casings would be more valuable. Much easier to load pre-existing castings than make new ones, after all. Or use them for scrap. Or as a threat, because then you could point out how many casings you have to offer, just as soon as you empty them out. Hint. Hint.


Or even more sense, unspent bullets. They have material value AND practical value. It's like a Gold-Coin meets a Chicken Egg. It's what they did in Metro 2033 and it made perfect sense.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby Knaight » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:54 pm

Uriel wrote:
Knaight wrote:
clintmemo wrote:
Azhrei Vep wrote:
Magmoo wrote:That's the mascot for the Fallout games. A post-apocalyptic series where bottle caps are money.

Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency?


Any form of currency is only useful because all parties have agreed as such. Consider the intrinsic value of paper, or even gold or silver. It all depends on the greater fool theory. You have locate someone that is a greater fool than you are such that will trade their useful goods for your money.


Yes, and elaborate printed banknotes with anti-counterfeiting measures are a little more plausible than bottle caps.


Which part of the Fallout series makes you think that plausibility entered their mind at some point? I mean the series has radiation based mutants, aliens from Star Trek, Tim the enchanter, shoulder launched short range nukes, and much more.


The earlier games were actually pretty good about thinking through this sort of thing - you see the farms outside towns, you see the serious concern for water without obvious water related plot holes, so on and so forth. With that said, the argument that they're bottlecaps because Fallout don't give a fuck works fine for me. The argument that they're bottlecaps because fiat currencies are arbitrary anyways is somewhat less convincing.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby Wihzerd » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:25 pm

According to the Fallout wiki, bottle caps are backed by water reserves, similar to how the U.S. dollar used to be backed by gold reserves. That would make bottle caps representative money, not fiat money.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bottle_cap

It amuses me that the lack of industrial infrastructure necessary to make more bottle caps prevents inflation.

Of course, the whole thing is really just a silly justification to have a currency mechanic instead of a barter mechanic. Let's face it, 99% of the people who play the games would understand the former a lot better than the latter and it's just easier to set it up that way.
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Re: Ultimate Picture Thread

Postby McNutcase » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:28 pm

Knaight wrote:
Uriel wrote:
Knaight wrote:
clintmemo wrote:
Azhrei Vep wrote:Ah, and there's the part that was missing.


... Why the hell would bottle caps be currency?


Any form of currency is only useful because all parties have agreed as such. Consider the intrinsic value of paper, or even gold or silver. It all depends on the greater fool theory. You have locate someone that is a greater fool than you are such that will trade their useful goods for your money.


Yes, and elaborate printed banknotes with anti-counterfeiting measures are a little more plausible than bottle caps.


Which part of the Fallout series makes you think that plausibility entered their mind at some point? I mean the series has radiation based mutants, aliens from Star Trek, Tim the enchanter, shoulder launched short range nukes, and much more.


The earlier games were actually pretty good about thinking through this sort of thing - you see the farms outside towns, you see the serious concern for water without obvious water related plot holes, so on and so forth. With that said, the argument that they're bottlecaps because Fallout don't give a fuck works fine for me. The argument that they're bottlecaps because fiat currencies are arbitrary anyways is somewhat less convincing.

Bottle caps were only currency in the first game. By Fallout 2, the various political entities which have arisen have actually got a functioning money system working. There's even a dying NPC who offers you directions to his treasure... And it's a huge pile of worthless bottle caps. Bethesda really made a hash of things with Fallout 3, thanks to their ridiculous demand that publication order must correspond with in-universe order. It makes way more sense if you replace every "two hundred years" with "twenty years". But, Bethesda gonna bethesd.
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