keithcurtis wrote: Noble Bear wrote:
Speaking for myself, these deaths were done correctly:
- Most Shakespeare (e.g. Hamlet, MacBeth)
- Breaking Bad
- Game of Thrones
- Saving Private Ryan
- Sons of Anarchy (for the most part)
- Owen, Bureau, Vader, & Palpatine.
Most deaths that are done wrong in my view, are usually treated as some variation of a TOS Red Shirt wherein the death is rendered because that's the only way to communicate stakes, apparently, or follow a - for want of a better example - Walking Dead model where is done for cheap drama.
Interesting list. I agree with many of your choices. I would not have guessed that you would put Owen and Beru on there, given your previous posts. I do disagree strongly with the characterization of Walking Dead deaths, since trying to find any point in going on, any meaning in life, in the face of pointless death is pretty much the theme of the show. Also, I can't personally agree with Dumbledore. I do understand the dramatic need and all that, and agree totally with the need to kill him off, but in my case, I thought what was actually going on was telegraphed so thoroughly that it really didn't come as a surprise or have any impact.
I agree completely with the Red Shirts. I cried when Spock died*, but I don't think a single other Star Trek character death made me bat an eye*.
I was going to bring up Shakespeare earlier, but for every Hamlet, there's an Edmund, who dies pretty much so he has a reason to confess everything and resolve the plot. Or even worse, a Cordelia, who remains steadfastly loyal, rescues her father, and dies offstage of apparently nothing other than surplus characters to requirement. Or the Fool, who might possibly have died to facilitate a costume change. (spoilers!) Maybe all of Titus Andronicus, which is filled with death and gore for the sake of being filled with death and gore.
It's funny what makes something work well for one person, but fall flat for another.
*Yes I did. Shut up, all of you.
**Except Tasha Yar, whose passing was met with a very strong feeling of relief.
Owen and Beru
This was one I struggled with. Originally, I had felt their deaths were trite, but forgave it, given the pulp roots. Later, I recognized that given what is revealed later, the deaths work in the larger situation; had ep 4 stood alone, I doubt I'd include them.
Here, I should have picked another example. I don't like WD, but the problems I have with the storytelling don't center on death at all but on the application of development, foreshadowing, and larger plot structure. I think these things lead to trite, meaningless deaths, but the deaths themselves are not the issue in the same way.
Here I trust your experience well above my own. Mostly, I just wanted to include instances that felt right to me.
On reflection, I guess it only worked for me by comparison. Since Harry had been stripped of family/father figures before in fashions that read as capricious to me, having Rowling actually lay out a structure (something, anything) to which his passing was a kind of fulfillment of plot events, it made sense in the moment.
I was crushed by her death, but I think that's only because I was, like, 13 at the time, and was incredibly attracted to Denise Crosby.
Had I thought of it at time, I would have quickly included this. His passing was one of the best done in film.