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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby VaMinion » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:23 am

Argentum wrote:what points would you need me to clarify?


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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby VaMinion » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:27 am

Replying rather than editting to avoid Edit-ception.

Lets say that the end goal is to have the villagers rise up against their leader.


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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby Triggerhappy938 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:28 am

VaMinion wrote:"Better be able to convince the villagers"...better how? What exactly are we trying to convince them of beyond the fact the leader is "bad"? Is the solution narrative or it is purely coming down to who can roll a higher diplomacy check?



I think these are the clarifications he is seeking.
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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby Argentum » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:30 am

I am leaving it open as to how the end result can be achieved. how could a wizard of 4th level better create the end result of the villagers rising up against their lord.

By "better" i am meaning both convence more people to take the action as well as convincing them the quickest.

I would not say that it is soley who can get the higher single diplomacy check as i am assuming that completing the task would need more than that. I am not assuming a single solution however.

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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby Triggerhappy938 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:35 am

Why do we need the town to rise up against this guy?
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Postby Triggerhappy938 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:36 am

Also, what is the town's current disposition towards their leader?
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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby Triggerhappy938 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:39 am

I think part of the problem here is that you are not stating a problem. You are stating a given solution to the problem. Is the leader actually bad, or are we deceiving the town? If we are deceiving the town, to what ends? Do we want to control the town? If not, how is the leader actually "bad"?
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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby VaMinion » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:40 am

Starting attitude towards the PCs is highly relevant as well.
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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby Argentum » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:44 am

good question. lets say that the villagers (lets call them v1) are neutral in attitude to both the pcs and their leader.

Lets also say that the PCs were hired by the neighboring village (lets call it v2) to both depose the leader because the leader stole their grain as well as bring the leaders villagers (v1) under the goverment of v2.

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Re: pathfinder class debate

Postby Argentum » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:49 am

va, i think i said above that v1's attitude is indifferent, meaning a diplomacy check of 15 would be needed to succeed with any diplomacy checks.

ok, lets remove my comment about needing to use diplomacy, I was trying to create a situation without actually starting an online game.

Lets say the problem is that the leader of v1 has stolen the wheat from v2. v2 believes that v1 would better be served under the leadership of v2. also lets say that v2 does not want the leader of v1 assassinated because while what he did was bad, it does not warrant death.


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