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Women Fighters in Reasonable Armor
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Aaron Stack
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My Boobs hurt just looking at that latest one, Viletta... As does my aesthetic tastes.
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| Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:50 pm |
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Lord Foul
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Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:23 am Posts: 34321 Location: Great Britain
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Aaron Stack wrote: My Boobs hurt just looking at that latest one, Viletta... As does my aesthetic tastes. I like it, but then I am incredibly shallow. 
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Aaron Stack
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But honest, at least  Besides, I can't really complain about other people's tastes when my own are fairly outlandish as well. Just not that.
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| Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:41 pm |
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Knaight
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Viletta Vadim wrote: Knaight wrote: Huh. I'm trying to figure out whether the armor, the shield, or the spear is the dumbest of the lot, and it is proving difficult. That said, that is significantly worse than normal, and its the typical which should be used as a baseline for comparison. Still, that is somewhat closer than any of the pictures on the tumblr, which is sad and pathetic. Unfortunately, it isn't any worse than normal. The default for women in armor is the steel lingerie, the battle corset, the boob-windowed skin-tight thing paired with metal stripper boots. If you want worse than normal, you're getting into the realm of the "pasties and a cork" school of design. Or something like this. A quick google search, without safesearch, of Armored Woman gets: First Source   A quick google image search, without safesearch, of Armored Woman gets: First Three Pictures    The first two of these are by no means good, but its better than what you posted. The last is actual armor. Switching out Armored Woman for Armored Chick - and using the term chick is basically asking to get an influx of softcore porn, given how the term is used:    All but one of these is better than your average, even including the "chick" pictures. None of them are good, outside of the suit of armor and possibly the Warhammer character, but all are better than what you claim is average except for one that is very much metal lingerie. As for that one, well, it is terrible at every level.
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| Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:53 pm |
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Freemage
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Citizen Joe wrote: Freemage wrote: Armor protects at the cost of speed and agility. Mail that can be worn like cloth, with no significant padding, would be a way of gaining that protection without the cost. It's worth noting that mithril, in D&D, is not merely lighter--armors made from it imbue fewer or no penalties on movement and agility. That would suggest that the "mail worn as cloth" concept is, in fact, how it should work. Armor works by reducing the concentration of impact to manageable levels. Two techniques are deflection and dispersion. Plate armors, and some of the scale armors use deflection. Blows hit the armor at weird angles and most of the energy gets deflected away. Chainmail uses dispersion. It intercepts a concentrated blow, like from a sword, and spreads the blow over a larger area. That is where the padding comes in (never mind the chaffing). Without padding to displace the energy, elven chain offers very little protection. I would even say NONE vs. bludgeoning attacks. Never bring Newtonian physics to a magic fight. Once again, the closest we have to "authoritative" description of mithril is Tolkein. Tolkein describes it as working effectively when worn directly on the skin, underneath clothing. I'd have to dig out copies of the books for sure, but I seem to recall it dealing with both blunt strikes and bladed weapons in the course of those books. Do we know exactly WHY it works? No. Could be that it DOES spontaneously stiffen into a plate-like material. Could be that it has inherent luck enchantment that turns aside weapons that would otherwise harm the wearer. Could be that it transfers the force of any blow into the space immediately on the opposite side of the wearer. Could be that invisible magic faeries fly out the wearer's ass and grab any weapons before they can do serious harm. Don't know, don't give two ratfucks. Once it's been established that it does, in fact, work in that fashion, citing Newtonian physics isn't going to change that.
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| Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:57 pm |
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Viletta Vadim
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Knaight wrote: A quick google search, without safesearch, of Armored Woman gets: First Source <snip> A quick google image search, without safesearch, of Armored Woman gets: First Three Pictures <snip> The first two of these are by no means good, but its better than what you posted. The last is actual armor. Switching out Armored Woman for Armored Chick - and using the term chick is basically asking to get an influx of softcore porn, given how the term is used:
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All but one of these is better than your average, even including the "chick" pictures. None of them are good, outside of the suit of armor and possibly the Warhammer character, but all are better than what you claim is average except for one that is very much metal lingerie. As for that one, well, it is terrible at every level. Knaight, that's bull and you know it. Watch as I do the exact same thing! First three results for "Female Armor."    Metal lingerie, metal lingerie, metal lingerie. If I turn strict safe search on, those three are still in the first four, with this coming in as the new number three:  More metal lingerie. However, it's not a matter of Google as it is of the culture as a whole, where you have things like the female cast of Soul Calibur, or WoW female armor, with its gratuitous and senseless gaps for boobage and midriffage and thighage being relatively modest by MMO standards. Some pictures from GenCon. It's a pretty ubiquitous cultural thing.
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| Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:33 pm |
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keithcurtis
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Viletta Vadim wrote: Of course, none of that has anything to do with the meaning of "reasonable" in the context of the blog, since the blog is about armored women who look badass instead of cheesecakey. It's not anti-stylization. On this occasion, we are in complete agreement. With the (possible) exception that I am not against cheesecake, if that is the artistic intent. When it is unpalatable is when cheesecake armor exists side by side with more historically realistic armor. Red Sonja's coin-mail bikini doesn't bug me because most of the people in comic book Hyborea seem to wear little more than loincloths and bracers anyway. Also, it bugs me if the armor is poorly considered from an artistic point of view. Bad perspective, unwieldy design or armor that accentuates poor anatomical construction are deal-breakers. Note that all of the above rules apply to male figures as well.
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| Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:41 pm |
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keithcurtis
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Viletta Vadim wrote: Knaight, that's bull and you know it. Watch as I do the exact same thing! Different searchers can get different results. I got two of yours, and a totally different one in the number 2 spot with Safe Search off.
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Lord Foul
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I don't see why it's a problem. If I want to look at pictures of people in proper serious realistic armour I can find some pictures of Krenn. I like my fantasy women to look sexy and beautiful. Sod realism. 
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keithcurtis
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Freemage wrote: Never bring Newtonian physics to a magic fight. Once again, the closest we have to "authoritative" description of mithril is Tolkein. Tolkein describes it as working effectively when worn directly on the skin, underneath clothing. I'd have to dig out copies of the books for sure, but I seem to recall it dealing with both blunt strikes and bladed weapons in the course of those books.
Do we know exactly WHY it works? No. Could be that it DOES spontaneously stiffen into a plate-like material. Could be that it has inherent luck enchantment that turns aside weapons that would otherwise harm the wearer. Could be that it transfers the force of any blow into the space immediately on the opposite side of the wearer. Could be that invisible magic faeries fly out the wearer's ass and grab any weapons before they can do serious harm. Don't know, don't give two ratfucks. Once it's been established that it does, in fact, work in that fashion, citing Newtonian physics isn't going to change that. Tolkein's armor works by the same principle that hold's the statue of Arthur Dent's teacup floating: It is artistically satisfying. It's the same reason spaceships in TV and Movie science fiction travel at the speed of plot. This is fantasy armor, the nature of the fantasy will determine the nature of the armor. By the way, look below. I've changed my sig.
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