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 Love, how would you describe it? 
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Post Re: Love, how would you describe it?
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I want very much to agree with definitions of love that involve putting the other person's happiness, etc., above your own. But I've been pretty far down that road. Somewhere along the line, when the other person stops caring about you or if they don't have the same definition of love, those actions on your part stop being love and start being some kind of masochistic self-hatred. You put the other person's needs, health, well-being and happiness above your own, and the other person watches you run yourself ragged for their own convenience or entertainment. Love the wrong person and you can love yourself into a mental hospital or an early grave. And that doesn't strike me as love.

Maybe love is the compromises two people make when they're both aimed at a shared target overall, and having the other person there with them when they reach that target is part of the plan.

Maybe love is caring about the other more than yourself, but with some kind of kill switch mechanism. Jumping between your loved one and a bullet is okay. Letting your beloved make you want to eat a bullet is not.

Lots of good points in this.

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Post Re: Love, how would you describe it?
Someone once said, "one can give without loving, but none can love without giving." I think there is a lot in that. Whether considering love as an emotion, an attitude, a noun, or a verb, part of love always wants to give. Whether it's giving attention, a seat on the bus, or life itself, love wants to give. Not just share or exchange or loan; those are also important part of the human social exchange, but they aren't selfless: they can be self seeking and unloving.
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Post Re: Love, how would you describe it?
mumblebear wrote:
I want very much to agree with definitions of love that involve putting the other person's happiness, etc., above your own. But I've been pretty far down that road. Somewhere along the line, when the other person stops caring about you or if they don't have the same definition of love, those actions on your part stop being love and start being some kind of masochistic self-hatred. You put the other person's needs, health, well-being and happiness above your own, and the other person watches you run yourself ragged for their own convenience or entertainment. Love the wrong person and you can love yourself into a mental hospital or an early grave. And that doesn't strike me as love.

Maybe love is the compromises two people make when they're both aimed at a shared target overall, and having the other person there with them when they reach that target is part of the plan.

Maybe love is caring about the other more than yourself, but with some kind of kill switch mechanism. Jumping between your loved one and a bullet is okay. Letting your beloved make you want to eat a bullet is not.

So, with Mumblebear's post, I've come to a conclusion:

With a handful of rare exceptions, love MUST be mutual, involving (at least) two people. There will be complaints about this, because "unrequited love" is this big thing for some folks, thanks to poets and songwriters and YA fiction authors.

FUCK unrequited love. The closest thing it comes to true love is in that cliched bit of needlepoint wisdom: "If you love someone, let it go, yadda yadda it never was." (I may someday start a series of needlepoint patterns that take out the bulk of the saying and leave yadda yadda in its place.)

Other than that? Unrequited love is either abusive or stalkerish, depending on whether or not the target of the 'love' uses the situation or wishes to extricate themselves from it.

If the person you once loved (mutually) no longer loves you? It's not love anymore, no matter how strongly you still feel for them. Talk it through, make sure their own part of the love is truly dead--and if it is, go back to the needlepoint. Mourn the death of the relationship, for that IS worth some grieving, if it was a good one, and then leave it in the same mental graveyard memorial in which you put your feelings for your childhood friendships that have dissolved.

The exceptions that I can think of exist only in cases where the love once existed, but no longer can:

1: One side is dead.
2: One person is suffering from Alzheimer's, or some other condition wherein they can no longer recognize the other person.

I'm sure other exceptions along those lines can be determined.

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FUCK unrequited love. The closest thing it comes to true love is in that cliched bit of needlepoint wisdom: "If you love someone, let it go, yadda yadda it never was." (I may someday start a series of needlepoint patterns that take out the bulk of the saying and leave yadda yadda in its place.)


A-fucking-men.

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Post Love, how would you describe it?
VaMinion wrote:
Freemage wrote:
FUCK unrequited love. The closest thing it comes to true love is in that cliched bit of needlepoint wisdom: "If you love someone, let it go, yadda yadda it never was." (I may someday start a series of needlepoint patterns that take out the bulk of the saying and leave yadda yadda in its place.)


A-fucking-men.


I second that sentiment.

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Post Re: Love, how would you describe it?
Jahaili wrote:
VaMinion wrote:
Freemage wrote:
FUCK unrequited love. The closest thing it comes to true love is in that cliched bit of needlepoint wisdom: "If you love someone, let it go, yadda yadda it never was." (I may someday start a series of needlepoint patterns that take out the bulk of the saying and leave yadda yadda in its place.)


A-fucking-men.


I second that sentiment.

Agreed.

I have certainly had feelings for people, and knew that those feelings weren't returned. Suck it up, and keep a lid on it. You don't want someone dating you just because you like them and they don't a. have anything better to do, or 2. don't want to hurt you feelings. It's a safe bet that this will only end up hurting more in the end.

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Post Re: Love, how would you describe it?
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It's a word we use to describe a wide range of emotions that would be better served by having their own names. I'll post more later. I'm busy loving this baby that is screaming at me.


Ancient Hebrews and Greeks really knew how to break that shit down.

As for my own take, I'll assert that love is dedication. Those things you are available to, that you support with yopur material and internal resources, these are the things you love.

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Its being comfortable enough with someone to be honest and simple.

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Its being comfortable enough with someone to be honest and simple.

That can't be right, because then I would love pretty much everyone. And that's just ridiculous.

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Post Re: Love, how would you describe it?
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SandPunk wrote:
Its being comfortable enough with someone to be honest and simple.

That can't be right, because then I would love pretty much everyone. And that's just ridiculous.


Turns out you're a lover, not a hater.

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