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 Co-worker believes the whole Satanic RPG thing 
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Post Re: Co-worker believes the whole Satanic RPG thing
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And the guy DIDN'T bag on the hobby. He (correctly) pointed out that some people take it too far. The best defense is nothing more than living well (in this case).

Given that the implication was more "suicides in steam tunnels" than "spends too much time on it to the detraction of other parts of their lives", and the whole "Satanic" thing, I'd call bagging on it a fairly fair description of what this guy was doing. I just don't think it's really worth making a big deal out of it.

Hey now. I don't see bagging. I see concern from suicides in steam tunnels, because anyone who wants their coworkers to off themselves wouldn't be saying anything in the first place. And as to the 'satanic' thing ... what if the guy in question is a Satanist? He might be pleased about the whole thing.

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Post Re: Co-worker believes the whole Satanic RPG thing
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To all the people who were saying write the dude off, there is no chance, don't bother, that's just not in my nature. If some one has a mistaken impression of me or something I do, I will do everything in my power to correct it. I don't mind being judged for the stupid, illeagal, or imoral things I do or have done. But if some one is judging me or one of my hobbies without understanding it, that's something I just can't stand.


I can appreciate your interest in dispelling your co-worker's misconceptions.

Also, I can understand if you make another attempt at discussing the subject, but be aware that if he's not interested in talking about it further, or refuses to consider your opinion, you'd probably want to let it go.

Otherwise, you might actually feed his misconception that people get too emotionally invested in the hobby.

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Post Re: Co-worker believes the whole Satanic RPG thing
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I honestly can't imagine why the opinion of a coworker about someone's hobby rates even passing mention. Why do you care?


Because honestly, our hobby is right and good, and not worthy of derision. Why wouldn't I stand up for it?



I guess I just don't see it as derision, certainly not as far off the deep end as McNutcase went. I just don't see it as some huge assault on the hobby. Guy made a couple fairly mild comments.


And that's fair enough, and regardless of the tone, there's nothing wrong with responding in a civil manner that you don't agree and that the hobby is quite enjoyable, and maybe even worth a shot at trying.

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Out of curiosity, does every gamer but me run around trying to convince people who don't like RPGs that they really are harmless/good/best thing evar?

Nope. If it's brought up to me, I'll defend it, but I NEVER bring it up.

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I honestly can't imagine why the opinion of a coworker about someone's hobby rates even passing mention. Why do you care?


You have to work with these people. If you work with a small group of people office and get in a feud with one person, it can ruin a good work place.



I didn't see the comments as the start of a feud, but taking it personally and trying to change that opinion seems like a potential start of one. Just letting it go seems more likely to start an issue.

I guess I have been down too many of these roads with too many people about too many topics. People are the way they are. You can't change them. You can either accept them - or not.

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Post Re: Co-worker believes the whole Satanic RPG thing
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@Addicted2aa: Whelp, if you're serious about trying to change this guy's mind then I wish you good luck. From your description of a previous discussion you had it does sound like this guy is reasonable when presented with viewpoints different then his own: that's a good sign.

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Because honestly, our hobby is right and good, and not worthy of derision. Why wouldn't I stand up for it?

Two very simple reasons:
It's just someone's opinion. I know this is going to sound crazy in the Internet, but honestly other people's opinions that are contrary to your own are generally not really worth getting worked up over. Not unless they're negatively effecting you in some way.
That and unless you're planning on quiting your job and burning your bridges while you're at it, it's a dumb idea to start something that you know can antagonizing someone. You will have to continue working with this person; which can potentially be problematic if this guy is now afraid of catching the devil-worshipper-cooties from you and going around telling coworkers that you're mentally unstable.

If this is going to end up effecting the work relationship between Addicted2aa and this guy (or even the rest of his coworkers), then if I were Addicted I'd certainly stand up and defend myself. But then not for my hobby (it's just a hobby after all), but for my job.
But if that's not the case and your favorite pastime does not include starting arguments and/or verbal fights with people for no good reason, then in my mind the better question would be: why would you stand up for it? Why would you try to create a problem where there isn't one?


I would never advocate getting into a verbal altercation over this in any fashion, as all that does is prove the dude's point (in a roundabout way). What's wrong with a little civil discourse? I mean, aside from the fact that you might come to an understanding on an issue, even if you don't end up agreeing. :)

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Post Re: Co-worker believes the whole Satanic RPG thing
clintmemo wrote:
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I didn't see the comments as the start of a feud, but taking it personally and trying to change that opinion seems like a potential start of one. Just letting it go seems more likely to start an issue.

I guess I have been down too many of these roads with too many people about too many topics. People are the way they are. You can't change them. You can either accept them - or not.



I agree. I meant to say "Just letting it go seems less likely to start an issue."


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I guess I just don't see it as derision, certainly not as far off the deep end as McNutcase went. I just don't see it as some huge assault on the hobby. Guy made a couple fairly mild comments.


And that's fair enough, and regardless of the tone, there's nothing wrong with responding in a civil manner that you don't agree and that the hobby is quite enjoyable, and maybe even worth a shot at trying.


No argument here. I just got the impression that the guy made a few comments, there was a brief conversation, and it ended there... except now A2AA is trying to change the guy's mind about it. Even the most civil conversation can be pushed into uncivil.


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Post Re: Co-worker believes the whole Satanic RPG thing
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What's wrong with a little civil discourse? I mean, aside from the fact that you might come to an understanding on an issue, even if you don't end up agreeing. :)

I agree with everything you just said. Heck, you can often see me end discussions with a "let's just agree to disagree" or by just ignoring topics once it's made clear everyone has said every they can say and noone is going to change their minds. If every human as wonderfull as me, then such rules as "no politics, no religion" like on this forum wouldn't be necesary.

However, they are necesary and for good reason. People can often get worked up in discussions. Especially if the topic of said discussion involves deeply held beliefs. You don't even have to start a verbal altercation, such topics can easily devolve into that. And even if everything remains civil and you have a pleasant discussion. Then there's the risk that how the people you just enganged in a discussion view you becomes poisoned by the difference in viewpoints, which can end up affecting your workrelationship.

No, in my experience actively engaging people about certain topics with purposes beyond idle curiosity just is more trouble then it's worth (probably it's worth nothing to begin with as again: the opinion of other people is rarely actually important to you). To quote myself from earlier in this thread: When you can have a good conversation it's great, but it only takes one argument spiraling out of control for the fecal matter to hit the wind maker.

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