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keithcurtis
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 Re: Historically Hardcore
werefrog wrote: Timespike wrote: DocTWisted wrote: A 5% chance? That's some good odds. A 0.5% chance. Still good odds. It's greater if you are Chinese. 8% of Chinese men can trace their father's side to Genghis Khan. This is just looking at male descendants, and doesn't take into account any daughters, who would would also be descendants. I wonder how this compares mathematically to the average male of that time period. If you go back far enough, we are all related.
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The Boulder
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keithcurtis wrote: I wonder how this compares mathematically to the average male of that time period. If you go back far enough, we are all related. Maybe.
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clintmemo
Sat through Dan's Cap Ship Lecture and didn't fall asleep... mostly
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:38 am Posts: 11883 Location: Louisville KY
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I remember reading an article a couple of years ago where someone did some mathematical model to determine how far back you would have to go before you found someone (not any particular person) that was in everyone's family tree. IIRC, it wasn't that far, like 700 years. The model took lots of things into account, like migration....
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The Boulder
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You mean 700 years back of separation?
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DistinctlyBenign
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The Boulder wrote: keithcurtis wrote: I wonder how this compares mathematically to the average male of that time period. If you go back far enough, we are all related. Maybe. ? It doesn't matter if you are a creationist or an evolutionist. In both theories, you go back far enough and we are all related. And I'm not aware of any third theory that would make that statement not true.
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john_alexander
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Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:22 am Posts: 526 Location: Nanaimo B.C. Canada
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DistinctlyBenign wrote: ?
It doesn't matter if you are a creationist or an evolutionist. In both theories, you go back far enough and we are all related. And I'm not aware of any third theory that would make that statement not true. Not every creation myth has only one or two original humans. Greek, for example. Prometheus made the original Men (and I would assume women as well), but there was an entire tribe of them. And since they were made, not born, they were not related. But Creationism with a capital 'C' - as in, the Christian creation myth - would most certainly make everyone related. Which brings up some major first-children incest-squick.
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The Boulder
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Or if you're an evolutionist, there isn't just going to be 2 of one species breeding into humans, it's going to be a damned long process that slowly over many generations of almost humans form a human, then that guy is going to mate several times with not humans until eventually the homosapien evolves out of it and out of species. I mean if you want to go back species and be like lightning + basic amino acids (or whatever first made Life) we're all related then I'll concede the point.
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goatunit
Sat through Dan's Cap Ship Lecture and didn't fall asleep... mostly
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:56 am Posts: 11668 Location: Memphis, TN
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That's not exactly how an evolutionist would word it, Boulder, but fair enough.
The most recent common ancestor (of all humans) is estimated to be about 60,000 years old and is called "Y-Chromosomal Adam". I don't know what you heard, Clint - but I'm not going to shoot it down. I'm skeptical because there are still lots of "pure" tribals in South America and Africa, which couldn't have feasibly intermingled within the last 45,000 years or so. If that number had to do with ethnic or regional or continental groups, though, I wouldn't be surprised.
Also, on the subject of the Christian creation myth (by which I mean no assumption of truth or fiction), I think it's worth pointing out that the Bible never says that Adam and Eve were the only people created directly by God. They are important figures for a number of reasons, and the emphasis paid them is deserved without assuming that they were the only people around.
If you're talking about Noah's kids though, yeah... that shit is weird.
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GordonGoblin
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Silly people we are all descended from the original Cylon/Human hybrid.
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clintmemo
Sat through Dan's Cap Ship Lecture and didn't fall asleep... mostly
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What I read basically said that if you could go back through every current human beings family tree, you would only have to go back about 700 years before you found one person that was in everyone's family tree. And again, this was a mathematical model.
And hey - let's move on from the whole Evolution/Creationist discussion because, well, you know, just Cuz.
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